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The Only Southern California Performance Porsche Chat Forum  Search   Chat   Members | Groups   FAQ | Raffle   Archive   Sitemap  Username:  Password:    Remember Me?      Gallery   Garage   Recent Posts   New Posts   Calendar   Videos   Profile   Log in  / Register  factory parts Featured Products from premium sponsor, PCARS.com: TAIL LIGHT HARNESS TRIGUARD 911 99 & NE TRIGUARD 911C/C2/C4 LA Indy Porsche OEM parts 2011 Mazda RX-7   LIVE CHAT   -->   There are 0 user(s) on chat now        Porsche Ferrari Lamborghini Car Forum Index -> Mitsubishi / Mazda Forum Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:22 pm aren040 Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 4918 Location: Southern California 5416.71 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: 2011 Mazda RX-7 Quote: Behind closed doors, far from the public's eye, an anonymous source at Mazda revealed to one of our spies in Japan that there will be another rotary-engine car coming from the Hiroshima-based company. It's still early, but a team is being assembled as you read this to produce such a car. The basis for the future car — we have yet to confirm if it will be called the RX-7 — is the 16X rotary engine, unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show last year. The 16X is an all-new Wankel — an evolution of the Renesis 13B powerplant in the RX-8 — with a revised eccentric shaft designed to produce more low-end torque. While Mazda hasn't published horsepower figures yet, we hear it's in the neighborhood of 200–250 bhp. Because of the increase in torque, there probably won't be a turbocharged version of the 16X, at least not in the beginning. But our source went on to say that Mazda is still experimenting with forced induction. So, our first glimpse of the 16X will not be in a pure high-performance sports car like the last RX-7, discontinued more than a decade ago in the U.S., but rather something along the lines of the original RX-7 — an affordable, user-friendly sports car that was nimble and fun to drive. Does this mean that the RX-8's days are numbered? Probably so. It's hard to imagine a small company like Mazda with two rotary cars in its lineup. It's also hard to imagine such a company having two 2-seat sports cars unless its name happens to be Lamborghini or Lotus. With the MX-5 firmly established in Mazda's lineup, the new rotary-powered car will most likely be a 2+2 with distinct sports-car styling. That it will be built on an extended MX-5 platform is a given, which means it will share the dimensions and proportions of the Kabura concept car. Expect upper-and-lower A-arm suspension systems at both ends, as well as a low curb weight, something south of the 3000-lb. mark. The expected on-sale date of the new-generation rotary car is 2010 to 2011, according to our source. Price? It's still too early to say, but Mazda's aim is to bring it in under $30,000. http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=6785   Back to top   Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:50 pm fu03steve Reputation ***** Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 3399 Location: Alta Loma 1495.66 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: shouldnt it RX-9 ??'   Back to top   Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:30 am FastForwardWheels Moderator Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 5461 Location: Monterey Park, California 2479.28 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: 2008 Porsche 911 Nice...... I do hope they put out a forced induction version as the numbers really begin to stack when they do that..... I owned the last version of the RX7 and wouldn't mind owning the new version when it arrives in Turbo form... -Eli   Back to top   Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:06 pm aren040 Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 4918 Location: Southern California 5416.71 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: I agree Eli, especially with Mazda design right now. They make some really hot cars and they are not too shabby in the performance area as well. The only real issue i see is with the new CAFE standards. A rotary alone will kill them in gas mileage, a rotary turbo will just annihilate them, but I guess they could always bring out a hybrid people mover commute car to make up for it. -aren   Back to top   Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:15 pm fu03steve Reputation ***** Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 3399 Location: Alta Loma 1495.66 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: hybrid rotary engine ?? maybe it wont blow up as fast   Back to top   Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:52 pm FastForwardWheels Moderator Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 5461 Location: Monterey Park, California 2479.28 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: 2008 Porsche 911 aren040 wrote: I agree Eli, especially with Mazda design right now. They make some really hot cars and they are not too shabby in the performance area as well. The only real issue i see is with the new CAFE standards. A rotary alone will kill them in gas mileage, a rotary turbo will just annihilate them, but I guess they could always bring out a hybrid people mover commute car to make up for it. -aren The way the motor is designed it's going to be near to impossible to design something with that Wankle that can also be considered Hybrid. . .   Back to top   Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:56 pm FastForwardWheels Moderator Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 5461 Location: Monterey Park, California 2479.28 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: 2008 Porsche 911 Here is an animated example for those of you who never really understood how the rotary engine really worked. The Fresh Air is let in through the intake port (one per rotor), the rotor is then spun towards the other side of thr rotor housing where it is ignighted TWICE, the rotor then makes it's way to the other side of the motor just under the Fresh Air intake port to an exhaust port. Each rotor has three sides which also have a some-what cupped area to act as the "top of the piston". By the way, the only way to properly lubercate the engine is to combine the oil with the fuel delivery system, it doesn't need to be together but perportioned on the amount of fuel being delivered. Some of us would remove the oil metering lines and just mix the fuel with two stroke oil. . . . -Eli   Back to top   Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:08 pm aren040 Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 4918 Location: Southern California 5416.71 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: Eli, I didn't mean a Rotary hybrid. I mean a regular inline hybrid. CAFE standards are across company vehicles, so it is an average that is taken from all vehicles you produce. So, for instance, if GM brings out the VOLT that can get an assumed 100 MPG then they can have their Suburban get 10 MPG without taking a hit from the Government. -aren   Back to top   Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:11 pm FastForwardWheels Moderator Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 5461 Location: Monterey Park, California 2479.28 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: 2008 Porsche 911 aren040 wrote: Eli, I didn't mean a Rotary hybrid. I mean a regular inline hybrid. CAFE standards are across company vehicles, so it is an average that is taken from all vehicles you produce. So, for instance, if GM brings out the VOLT that can get an assumed 100 MPG then they can have their Suburban get 10 MPG without taking a hit from the Government. -aren I guess I got a little carried away..... Maybe YES, Mazda does need some sort of hybrid, how'z about bringing back the R100 with a 4-banger.. -Eli   Back to top   Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:19 pm aren040 Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 4918 Location: Southern California 5416.71 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: it works, but there is no need to go through the cost implications. All they have to do is make a Mazda3 Hybrid. That car sells like hotcakes anyway. A Hybrid would do wonders. They can also adopt it to the MX-5 as well for a sporty Hybrid. No need to incur the cost of developing a new car. -aren   Back to top   Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:03 pm codyBane Joined: 19 Mar 2009 Posts: 7 8.90 Points Check out  My Gallery My Vehicle: RX-8 hybrid prototypes have been around since at least 2003 and rotary hydrogen hybrids have been working since (possibly) as early as 95. By working I don't mean necessarily in a commercially viable state, but in proof of concept. RX-8 Hydrogen Hybrids have been sold in Japan since 05/06 and sold in Norway in 07. Search google for RX-8 hydrogen hybrid - it's all on the 1st page. Quote: So, our first glimpse of the 16X will not be in a pure high-performance sports car like the last RX-7, discontinued more than a decade ago in the U.S., but rather something along the lines of the original RX-7 — an affordable, user-friendly sports car that was nimble and fun to drive. This is EXACTLY what I've been hoping for. I'm an RX-7 enthusiast and still drive my 1983 1st gen with more than 147,000 miles on it. I've been hoping and waiting for another Rotary budget sports car that's a bit more practical perhaps than the limited cargo space of an RX-7.   Back to top   Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Porsche Ferrari Lamborghini Car Forum Index -> Mitsubishi / Mazda Forum All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1 WWW   PCARS chat    Search Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2007 phpBB Group & phpBB SEO All trademarks and logos on this site are property of their respective owners. The pictures and comments are property of their posters. All the rest, © 2004-2010 www.PCARS.us For questions/comments, contact us here. Our WebStat and Site Map